Tuesday, June 30, 2009

NZ Vegan Podcast Episode 28 - Part two of my interview with Dr. Roger Yates - continuing our talk on why we need more vegans!

Listen HERE

Talking about sincere animal rights and vegan activism and believing in the message. Please contact your local soymilk supplier and ASK THEM WHAT THEY FILTER THE SOYBEANS THROUGH - i.e do they use silk? We are trying to find out, and if they do, we want everyone to write and make a case so they will stop doing that. In the meantime Sarah has a great recipe for homemade soy milk at The Vegan Mentor see Making Soy Milk

We also talk about Animal Rights July which I would love to replicate at a university here in Auckland. Check it out! It looks good. See the link at Roger's blog On Human-Nonhuman Relations

I hope you enjoy the interview as much as I did! Thank you Dr. Yates!


  1. Elizabeth and Roger, thanks so much for this, it's one of the best interviews I've listened to about veganism and animal rights. I have just finished listening to both parts back to back, couldn't tear myself away - it was riveting listening. You covered so much territory and I found it all so relevant and interesting.
    Elizabeth, thanks for the frequency of your podcasts and the quality of the content - they are great.... your presentation is so natural and engaging.
    I wish Roger would do podcasts too - he has so much knowledge and insight to share. In this interview he helped me see much more clearly some things I was feeling a bit lost about.

  2. Thank you so much! I hope Roger does a podcast too :-) I will definitely love to invite him back on the show!

  3. I can't get it to play for me, it plays the first second of the start up music and then cuts off. :(

  4. It'd be great if you did a follow-up with Roger sometime. It's a great mix to have a 'more-recent' vegan along with someone who has been involved for as long as Roger has.
    About your 'worldwide'(as Roger put it) soymilk campaign, I phoned my soymilk provider here in Spain and as you might have predicted, they hadn't a clue - and asked me to put it in writing to control central. I'll keep you posted. Although now I'm thinking of investing in one of those soymilk maker machines.
    Thanks again Elizabeth.

  5. Another good show.

    I liked the bit where you both sort of agree that it's difficult to see (non human) animals indoors, but one has to do all that they can to help. It's sort of strange to think that we build all these walls and things so that we can get away from nature... and then forget that they are at our mercy.

    Also, an excellent point by Mr. Yates regarding the prevailing welfarist attitude as comparable to the person sitting at McDo.

  6. Many thanks Elizabeth... and Roger - You both compliment each other nicely in your exchanges. The conversation was very enjoyable... Thanks for letting us listen in! :)

    A point I took great interest in was Roger's example of how the media (and public) demands that activities (activism) needs to be more captivating each time. It really forces the issue of having to become more "extreme" each time if you wish to be heard. It's frustrating that sensationalism has to come into play when trying to discuss rational ideas... And it's no wonder some groups become an embarassment when attempting to be visable.

    And this last point only comes up because the interview caused me some retrospection into my young teens (many decades ago)... I remember in the early 70's I got with a group that protested vivisection at the Bronx Zoo... We did our picketing almost weekly for over a year. I was young at the time (15)... when the group stopped meeting --- I thought we had "won". That the few primates (I knew of) were saved... and all was well. I clearly did not grasp the scope of things.

    And too, there was so little data then, and no way to learn the facts at all. Anyway, I look back - and think how incredibly naive we all were then. Reason was there... and compassion -- but the time was not ready.

    Todays information sharing systems and a cohesive Abolitionist Animal Rights Approach, is sure to put these ideas in their proper postion of imperative significance...

    Oh - one last mention - The July events that are scheduled in Dublin... makes me want to leave the "sunshine" state! If we were all to have a similar line up of events, every few months in every one of the US states... it would propel the movement lightyears.

    Thanks to both of you for bringing things into such a positive perspective... We can do this! :)